tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529725084811715233.post4955269187758215263..comments2024-03-04T13:30:37.333-08:00Comments on Mark Lawrence: Tyrion - the murderer we love to love!Mark Lawrencehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16877925828353073272noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529725084811715233.post-69137412416066481922014-09-21T01:50:08.941-07:002014-09-21T01:50:08.941-07:00To me it doesn't make any sense to apply a mod...To me it doesn't make any sense to apply a modern world mentality to a completely different world. Imagine being teleported back in time and trying to lecture a group of crusader knights about all of their raping and pillaging and murdering...you wouldn't live very long.Ted Crosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09022309459554237650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529725084811715233.post-68441772349296824062014-09-20T00:15:55.284-07:002014-09-20T00:15:55.284-07:00The Shae Murder happens a long way into the book, ...The Shae Murder happens a long way into the book, when it's getting harder to change your opinion about him. <br />I'd say Jorg starts on the dark site of the knife and it's really hard for him to recover from that. He did it for me anyways. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529725084811715233.post-78552080495775186542014-09-20T00:14:22.515-07:002014-09-20T00:14:22.515-07:00I think in one sense it comes down to relatability...I think in one sense it comes down to relatability. I have your books but haven't yet read them, so I'm only guessing based on things I have heard about Jorg, but he sounds like a character I would have a very hard time relating to (just like Alex in A Clockwork Orange). With Tyrion I relate to him very well, even when he murders Shae.Ted Crosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09022309459554237650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529725084811715233.post-19528716222047964882014-09-19T14:10:28.094-07:002014-09-19T14:10:28.094-07:00Difficult for me to comment since I love Jorg as a...Difficult for me to comment since I love Jorg as a character too but . . .<br /><br />Perhaps it's that by the time Tyrion kills Shae the reader has already grown to like and admire him. Whereas for Jorg the dark deeds happen right from the off.<br />Marc Turnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529725084811715233.post-10584988134385222252014-09-19T12:51:57.018-07:002014-09-19T12:51:57.018-07:00I didn't like that scene when I read it; but w...I didn't like that scene when I read it; but when you compare Tyrion's single murder (brutal and sexually-driven though it is) to the copious amounts of blood on almost every other character's hands (ESPECIALLY his family's), added to the character's charm and frankness - you get a character everyone likes.Skinny87https://www.blogger.com/profile/09845696927669101217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529725084811715233.post-21653582342302611172014-09-19T12:41:01.028-07:002014-09-19T12:41:01.028-07:00It's strange that they chose to change things ...It's strange that they chose to change things around in the show. In the book Shae's mocking testimony of Tyrion when, from memory, she says that he asked he to call him her giant during sex among is her biggest betrayal. It cuts right to the bone of everything they were and I think when he kills her in the book it is because of this. In the show her testimony is one of betrayal but it does not seem to be in her eyes and she does not mock him so much and it is implied she was simply a spy all the time. I thought the book was much more effective as that court room scene just made my heart wrench for Tyrion. I think the fact that most of Tyrions family openly loathe him makes him much more sympathetic too. Charlie Hopkinshttp://www.areadingmachine.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3529725084811715233.post-27638028461547428472014-09-19T12:33:10.076-07:002014-09-19T12:33:10.076-07:00I saw it and he's while he's not my favori...I saw it and he's while he's not my favorite character, he's my favorite instance of why I would hate to live in GRRM's fantasy world. <br /><br />As to the murder itself: I understand why he does it, in as much as Shae is the mortal embodiment of everything Tyrion would have outside and away from his family's influence, and she proves utterly that nothing is beyond his father's grasp, including everyone and anything he might love. In that regard, Shae is as much Tywin's victim as Tyrion's.<br /><br />Also, understanding does not at all equate to forgiveness. He is a spoiled child who loses the 'object' of his affection to his father and then destroys that 'object'...the only redemptive quality of this crime is the subsequent murder of his father, as well, who is at least as much a dirtbag as he, and bears more responsibility for having raised his children to be so dysfunctional.Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07365172490610500537noreply@blogger.com